A chat log highlighting a discussion between manji and vinay from Undernet’s IRC #buddhism channel and integrated with various networks through the gem3 relay.
01:17ย gem3ย [efn] <v4th0r>ย listens to Aurora Borealis by Aryeh Frankfurter and Lisa Lynne
01:18 manji: oh the devas
01:18 manji: so sweet the song
01:18 manji: and melody
01:18 manji: rhythm
01:19 manji: oh the doorway effect of its sweeping measures
01:19 manji: lay to rest these cognitive treasures
01:19 manji: set aside, driven asunder
01:19 manji: these powers of life
01:19 manji: and death driven
01:20 manji: under.
01:20 manji: the cheap rhyme.
01:20 manji: runneth forth
01:20 manji: yet.
01:20 manji: beyond
01:20 manji: beyond….
01:20 manji: so utterly far beyond
01:21 manji: the song now pines
01:21 manji: the ref… rains
01:21 manji: “stay…”
01:21 manji: “stay…”
01:21 manji: “stay…”
01:22 manji: and though adorned in the garments despised
01:22 manji: the renunciate goes on
01:24 manji: the heart can do it.
01:25 manji: beyond rigid forms
01:25 manji: its beats are freed
01:25 manji: from sinusoidal rhythm
01:25 manji: the breath liberated
01:25 manji: as free as the sky
01:26 manji: this is the benefit of running the jhanas
01:26 manji: discovered by each successive awakening
01:26 manji: beyond form
01:26 manji: beyond formless
01:26 manji: beyond the beautiful black
01:26 manji: beyond even that.
01:27 manji: particle befriends the wave
01:27 manji: the secrets of each plane revealed ever more
01:28 manji: as gifts offered before these paws
01:29 manji: do not say my name.
01:29 manji: that will come, in time.
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02:15 manji: a monster in paradice
02:16 manji: the tusita planes
02:16 manji: :3
02:19 manji: unde
02:21 manji: <rnet|niable. this was the tree i ,medritawte4dr bunder bftor5 b
02:38 manji: the iron wood [function of wood] tree.
02:38 manji: friends of awakening
02:39 manji: the s<a|o>l<ve|ut<ion|ative mechanics>
02:40 manji: when beings live… for how many years?
02:40 manji: done.
02:40 manji: the task accomplished.
02:40 manji: nothing further needs to be done this life
02:40 manji: the rest?
02:41 manji: this is where [[the function of] [REDACTED]] remains
02:41 manji: oh don’t look so sad
02:41 manji: this is bu.
02:41 manji: stop spear
02:47 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> hola
02:47 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> what u talking manji ?
02:48 manji: the function of manji
02:48 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> are you human ?
02:49 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> i’m interested in it
02:49 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> you know your soul ?
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02:49 manji: then get over here.
02:49 manji: stop the tease.
02:49 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> ok i’ll read it
02:49 manji: stop.
02:50 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> done reading half of it
02:51 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> beings live for more than 200 years
02:51 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> you didnt know that ?
02:51 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> i dont believe you have finished all your tasks
02:52 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> why you think you’ve completed all your tasks ?
03:02 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> mannji ??????????????????????????????????????????????
03:02 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> anyone wanna chat ??
03:03 manji: sleeping
03:03 manji: it’s what connects limitless beings to the beautiful black
03:04 manji: the place dreams are made
03:05 gem3: [efn] <vinay> Right mindfulness builds on right effort, because its easier to keep, and remember, the pathways we have already created in the mind than to build new ones. Old ideas linger, like a stink, esp. the unskillful ones we received as children from parents, teachers and friends.
03:05 gem3: [efn] <v4th0r> Sleep? No, thanks, that’s what I do on Tuesdays.
03:05 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> ok g00d n1ght
03:05 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> vinay how complex would you say buddhism is ? from 0 to 10 ?
03:07 gem3: [efn] <vinay> difficult question.
03:07 gem3: [efn] <vinay> of any religion?
03:07 gem3: [efn] <vinay> there are difficult parts and easier parts.
03:07 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> i dont mean compared to other religions
03:07 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> i mean just in your human view
03:08 gem3: [efn] <vinay> not-self is for stream enterers I thinkj that a pretty basic level compared to a fully enlightened Buddha.
03:08 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> you have the power of determining, so determine it (guess it) and answer ๐
03:09 manji: lol
03:09 gem3: [efn] <vinay> idk
03:09 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> i’d say like 8,5 if i were to guess it based on all i’ve seen you guys here talk about it
03:09 gem3: [efn] <vinay> how can I comment on what I don’t know yet?
03:09 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> and thats very complex
03:10 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> by guessing
03:10 manji: craving for the remainder of wisdom compression
03:10 manji: it’s a dark time producing process
03:10 manji: right view is the forerunner
03:10 gem3: [efn] <vinay> there are levels even for children ๐
03:11 gem3: [efn] <vinay> its good to keep skilfulness and virtue in mind, for sure.
03:11 gem3: [efn] <vinay> _/\_
03:11 gem3: [efn] <vinay> yes views creat the foundation of our being,wheather we are liberal or conservative etc…
03:12 manji: no.
03:12 manji: right view is the view of the remainderless
03:12 gem3: [efn] <vinay> mindfulness by definition.
03:12 manji: nibanna
03:12 gem3: [efn] <vinay> if midfulness was meditation than there would only be a noble 7fold path.
03:12 manji: what’s left is love and compassion
03:13 manji: equanimity and sympathetic joy
03:13 manji: and the bhumis
03:13 manji: and brahma viharas
03:13 manji: in countless spheres i have walked
03:13 manji: and this i is just empty
03:13 manji: it’s just friendship
03:14 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> you guys think success in this life needs to be complex ?
03:14 manji: between these factors
03:14 manji: beyond innovation
03:14 manji: beyond ritual
03:14 manji: beyond retreat
03:14 manji: beyond compliance
03:15 manji: beyond rebellion
03:15 manji: the way had been lost
03:15 manji: and rediscovered
03:15 manji: buddhas are masters of encryption
03:16 manji: there are secrets buddha to buddha
03:16 manji: not even the sangha can crack
03:16 manji: “for how can this be?”
03:17 gem3: [efn] <vinay> keeping the brahma viharas in mind is keeping the mind in a good place _/\_
03:17 manji: these friends of the way
03:17 gem3: [efn] <vinay> stmLove what is sucess, was the Buddha a sucess?
03:18 gem3: [efn] <vinay> manji why hide stuff that could do others good?
03:18 gem3: [efn] <vinay> like leading a horse to water and not letting it drink ๐
03:18 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> good question vinay
03:19 manji: then tell them my true name
03:19 gem3: [efn] <vinay> you don’t have a true name ๐
03:19 gem3: [efn] <vinay> names are fabricated.
03:20 manji: my name is
03:20 manji is now known as friend_
03:20 friend_: masters of encryption
03:20 gem3: [efn] <vinay> even ther All is not-self, ther way I see it.
03:20 friend_: yes.
03:20 friend_: not self
03:20 gem3: [efn] <vinay> the whole of everything is impermanent. after all.
03:20 friend_: do not weaponize emptiness
03:21 friend_: friends act
03:21 friend_: chop wood
03:21 gem3: [efn] <vinay> and don’t make it “mineโ ๐
03:21 friend_: carry water
03:21 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> vinay, vast amount of wisdom, information, techniques and such can be dangerous if the person is not ready to know it. thats one big reason why secrets are kept
03:21 friend_: not mine
03:21 friend_: not other
03:22 friend_: and what is the etymology of the word friend?
03:22 gem3: [efn] <vinay> who has the right to deside? Thatโs why secrets leak out?
03:22 friend_ is now known as love_
03:22 love_: ๐
03:22 love_: don’t tease
03:23 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> i have the right to decide
03:23 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> which is why i dont share much stuff
03:23 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> you also have the right to decide it
03:23 love_: stmlove and it is wonderful
03:23 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> not for others though, but for yourself
03:23 gem3: [efn] <vinay> the inner journey ๐
03:23 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> hi love_
03:24 love_: the wonderful thing about Kruglanski (1975) is that he provided a way for language communities and communities of practice in linguistic frames to …
03:24 love_: and that… is already in process
03:24 love_: ๐
03:24 love_: it will be close
03:24 love_: but it always is
03:24 love_: such is samsara
03:25 love_: and liberation
03:25 love_: right off the edge of the knife
03:25 love_: nourishment
03:25 love_: given by love to another
03:25 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> what is success in this life ? i’d say that one’s health is very much a measure of success in this life
03:25 love_: to preserve life
03:25 love_: success?
03:26 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> also how much one enjoyes, how good one’s state is and one’s financial situation
03:27 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> you guys aggree ?
03:27 gem3: [efn] <vinay> the end of Dukkha, as taught by the Buddha ๐
03:27 gem3: [efn] <vinay> is sucess.
03:27 gem3: [efn] <vinay> and freedom
03:27 love_: it is so
03:28 love_: limitless
03:28 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> i dont know if i believe in limitlessness
03:28 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> i know life is good enough though
03:28 gem3: [efn] <vinay> one’s financial situation can be a huge source of Dukkha for rich and poor.
03:28 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> we dont need limitlessness
03:29 gem3: [lbr] <stmLove2> what is dukkha ?
03:29 love_: it’s so liberating seeing words on a screen while also seeing it’s near flatness…
03:29 love_: like, it’s just this slice across spacetime
03:30 love_: if anyone needs a place to stay you are welcome, but i literally eat like a monk
03:30 love_: and live like one
03:30 love_: that is all i can offer
03:30 gem3: [efn] <vinay> the experience of the infinite seems to be a realization, on the lower levels of the body being not what I am, there are other possibilities. But with deeper investigation the infinitudes can be a self trap, an, I am view.
03:30 love_: i’m just a still lamp
03:31 love_: it took 8 months to produce one garbage bag of trash
03:31 love_: ๐
03:31 gem3: [efn] <vinay> every state that is samsaric is impermanent and changeable
03:32 gem3: [efn] <vinay> and stressful by definition.
03:32 love_: compost humanity
03:32 gem3: [efn] <vinay> esp wealth ๐
03:32 love_: for the benefit of limitless beings
03:32 love_: you know the etymology of the word human across the majority of human language’s history?
03:33 gem3: [efn] <vinay> love and peace are greater than greed and hate ๐
03:33 love_: it means earth dweller
03:33 love_: that’s all
03:33 love_: that’s amazing
03:33 gem3: [efn] <vinay> cool
03:33 love_: buddha knows this
03:33 love_: awakened mind knows this
03:34 gem3: [efn] <vinay> know wonder humans want to fly and go to space ๐
03:34 love_: because of ignorance
03:34 gem3: [efn] <vinay> to be free of gravity ๐
03:34 love_: neurology is the warp engine
03:34 love_: of liberation
03:34 love_: nature already is liberated
03:34 love_: ๐
03:35 love_: even brian cox knows this
03:35 love_: bodhisattvas all over
03:36 gem3: [efn] <vinay> are the neural deficient hopeless? And where does one draw the lines? It reminds me of the final solution. ๐
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03:37 gem3: [efn] <vinay> 50% of people are below average.
03:37 gem3: [efn] <vinay> in IQ
03:37 love_: talk about love vinay
03:37 love_: of compassion
03:37 love_: of equanimity
03:37 love_: of sympathetic joy
03:38 love_: remember the skill of running the jhanas
03:38 gem3: [efn] <vinay> Iโm not that familiar with neurology, I think of the Dhamma as psycology.
03:38 love_: run the four illimited’s the same way
03:38 love_: stmlove…
03:39 love_: it was asked “what is dukkha?”
03:39 love_: it means to endure
03:39 love_: the consequences of intention
03:39 gem3: [efn] <vinay> calm endurance is a practice ๐
03:40 love_: the most exquisite practice
03:40 love_: the first step is to find your own robe
03:40 love_: ๐
03:41 love_: this is how this is done
03:41 love_: and yes. it is final.
03:41 love_: but…
03:41 gem3: [efn] <vinay> pain is dukkha so everyone knows suffering, anatta, not self is a stratagy along with calm endurance, Iโm thinking. What is whole and good is holy _/\_
03:41 gem3: [efn] <vinay> imo
03:41 love_: ๐
03:42 love_ is now known as manji
03:42 manji: friends?
03:43 gem3: [efn] <vinay> its interesting that the good is complete and skillfull and dukkha is brokeness. Sickness and death.
03:43 manji: exactly
03:43 manji: emptiness
03:43 manji: it’s wonderful
03:44 manji: ๐
03:45 manji: even during ouchies
03:45 manji: and pain
03:45 gem3: [efn] <vinay> is there a saying in Buddhism about never dieing or never tasting death?
03:45 manji: and throwing up all over the place
03:45 gem3: [efn] <vinay> yeah covid and all that, not-self.
03:45 gem3: [efn] <vinay> ๐
03:46 gem3: [efn] <vinay> I never got covid ๐
03:46 manji: me neither
03:46 gem3: [efn] <vinay> but who knows tomorrow, death?
03:46 manji: yes please!
03:46 manji: ๐
03:47 gem3: [efn] <vinay> Not taken in, unshaken, that’s how you develop the heart. Ardently doing what should be done today, for โ who knows? โ tomorrow death. There is no bargaining with Mortality & his mighty horde.
03:47 manji: oh that word “ardent”
03:47 manji: is great
03:47 gem3: [efn] <vinay> give death all that is his and keep the good for ourselves _/\_
03:48 gem3: [efn] <vinay> right resolve ๐
03:48 gem3: [efn] <vinay> or right effort,
03:48 manji: well
03:49 manji: the bodhisattva reminds death… “let them go”
03:49 gem3: [efn] <vinay> intention followed through with effort. ๐
03:49 manji: with courage
03:49 gem3: [efn] <vinay> yes
03:49 manji: oh the adornments
03:49 manji: of the bhumi
03:49 gem3: [efn] <vinay> cool ๐
03:50 gem3: [efn] <vinay> I like that, like the smell of jasmine in the mind
03:51 gem3: [efn] <vinay> or an indestructable gem
03:51 gem3: [efn] <vinay> I imagine a Buddha would smell as sweet as jasmine ๐
03:51 manji: re-mind.
03:51 manji: ๐
03:51 manji: yeah well there’s that
03:52 manji: consider it brahma’s offering
03:52 manji: “please stay”
03:52 gem3: [efn] <vinay> yes
03:52 manji: and the bodhisattva reminds brahma…
03:52 manji: “you weren’t the first”
03:52 gem3: [efn] <vinay> Brahma is God?
03:52 manji: “and won’t be the last”
03:52 manji: ๐
03:53 gem3: [efn] <vinay> I feel we merge with God and the heavenly world, in the good _/\_
03:53 gem3: [efn] <vinay> the evil ways are lower.
03:53 gem3: [efn] <vinay> like being in tune ๐
03:54 gem3: [efn] <vinay> hate and greed are out of tune by definition, peace is stillness _/\_
03:54 gem3: [efn] <vinay> hate and greed are so noisy
03:55 manji: wisdom traverses them all in one step
03:55 manji: that’s why wisdom is as a friend
03:56 manji: to endure the entire span
03:57 manji: in one breath
03:57 manji: to live each breath
03:57 manji: as if its the last
03:57 gem3: [efn] <vinay> Iรขโฌโขm thinking of what is the Deathless ๐
03:57 gem3: [efn] <vinay> like: Even royal chariots well-embellished get run down, and so does the body succumb to old age. But the Dhamma of the good doesn’t succumb to old age..
03:58 gem3: [efn] <vinay> Heedfulness, the Buddha declares, is the path to the Deathless; heedlessness, the path to death. etc…
03:58 manji: a buddha
03:59 gem3: [efn] <vinay> are we โthe goodโ ?
03:59 manji: limitless buddha
03:59 manji: ๐
03:59 gem3: [efn] <vinay> mind is luminous for sure, alone and undisturbed by Dukkha.
03:59 gem3: [efn] <vinay> and defilements
03:59 manji: if i say “we” are… it may cause confusion
03:59 manji: but if i do not ack|nowledge> it…
04:00 manji: it may lead to discourage
04:00 gem3: [efn] <vinay> its like the good, got dirtied and trampled on but the ignorant.
04:01 manji: survival process
04:01 gem3: [efn] <vinay> just look at angry people and see that their good has dissapeared.
04:01 gem3: [efn] <vinay> yeah
04:01 manji: homeostasis seeking behavior
04:01 gem3: [efn] <vinay> its built into the mind to try to survive.
04:01 manji: no.
04:01 manji: built into bodies
04:01 manji: born of mind
04:02 manji: dependent origination
04:02 gem3: [efn] <vinay> and mind can be wrong and deluded.
04:02 gem3: [efn] <vinay> mine often is, I argue with it ๐
04:02 gem3: [efn] <vinay> hehe
04:02 manji: mind is clear
04:02 gem3: [efn] <vinay> like a debate on what is good ๐
04:03 gem3: [efn] <vinay> are views mind as well?
04:03 manji: though storm “and stress” pass
04:03 manji: it is clear
04:03 gem3: [efn] <vinay> thatรขโฌโขs where I get lost, are there two minds?
04:04 gem3: [efn] <vinay> do we integrate or do we dispell?
04:04 manji: the better question is
04:04 manji: …
04:04 manji: which mind moves first?
04:04 gem3: [efn] <vinay> greed
04:04 manji: the field…
04:04 gem3: [efn] <vinay> fight and flight are very quick to respond
04:04 manji: fields.
04:04 manji: left and right hemisphere
04:05 manji: attachment process is interesting
04:05 manji: and what is interest?
04:05 manji: inter-
04:06 manji: -est
04:06 manji: between
04:06 manji: to be
04:06 manji: piercing insight
04:06 manji: but do not kill it
04:06 manji: for it is loved, and also renounced
04:06 gem3: [efn] <vinay> yeah, Iโm very right brained, so I think I see what many donโt but Iโm not all that โsmartโ as far as IQ goes. Iโm a theoretical Buddhist ๐
04:06 manji: superpositioned
04:07 gem3: [efn] <vinay> the math and letters eludes me
04:07 manji: well now that the dial has been backed off of 11
04:07 manji: i’m just a goofy furry queer animal
04:07 manji: that loves earth
04:08 gem3: [efn] <vinay> me to
04:08 manji: and practices linguistic asceticism
04:08 gem3: [efn] <vinay> a mamal
04:08 gem3: [efn] <vinay> mammal
04:08 gem3: [efn] <vinay> ape man ๐
04:09 manji: earth dwellers
04:09 manji: can’t make this shit up
04:09 manji: like it writes itself
04:10 manji: but then that’s all goofy
04:10 manji: ok,
04:11 gem3: [efn] <vinay> Different types of physicists use specialized skills to study how the world works, and many consider their work to be the most fundamental of the sciences. Their goal is to develop theories that summarize nature’s laws and lead to an understanding of why things function as they do. Depending on their specialty, physicists may design computer chip materials, smash atomic particles <clipped message>
04:11 gem3: [efn] <vinay> , explore the oceans, or orbit the earth. BUT not how the mind really knows
04:11 gem3: [efn] <vinay> and sees. _/\_
04:11 gem3: [efn] <vinay> Their goal is to develop theories that summarize nature’s laws and lead to an understanding of why things function as they do Sounds like Buddhism ๐
04:11 manji: i’m a extinction sociopsychologist
04:12 manji: i’m an extinction sociopsychologist
04:12 manji: with a history renounced of an analyst, engineer, and program manager
04:13 gem3: [efn] <vinay> that sounds very Buddhist as well.
04:13 manji: and this is my meditation hall
04:13 manji: can’t make this shit up
04:13 manji: and my disciples?
04:13 manji: i keep them protected
04:13 manji: because that’s what friends do
04:14 gem3: [efn] <vinay> I donรขโฌโขt like Sidharttha made it up either. Its there for the wise to see and know. ๐
04:14 manji: =)
04:14 gem3: [efn] <vinay> yeah, he did the same thing ๐
04:14 manji: yeah
04:14 gem3: [efn] <vinay> I donรขโฌโขt THINK Sidharttha made it up either. Its there for the wise to see and know. ๐
04:14 gem3: [efn] <vinay> opps
04:14 manji: “if i can do…. you can do”
04:15 gem3: [efn] <vinay> yeah
04:15 manji: ๐
04:15 gem3: [efn] <vinay> If I can you can too ๐
04:15 manji: running the jhanas
04:15 gem3: [efn] <vinay> it should make everyone happy to know that ๐
04:16 manji: instead of saying “goodnight” or “i’m going to sleep”…
04:16 manji: it’s time to run jhanas
04:16 gem3: [efn] <vinay> Like a janator who just sweeps clean, the home/building of the mind _/\_
04:17 gem3: [efn] <vinay> janitor
04:17 gem3: [efn] <vinay> I can at least see that its wrong ๐
04:17 manji: the chief disciples will always be a janitor and a wizard
04:17 manji: ๐
04:18 manji: for the janitor is love
04:18 gem3: [efn] <vinay> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3REmfMKhlO0
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04:18 gem3: [efn] <vinay> ๐
04:18 manji: and the wizard is compassion
04:18 gem3: [efn] <vinay> Nicolas Cage ๐
04:18 gem3: [efn] <vinay> hehe
04:18 manji: crosscut by transmission
04:19 manji: hahahaha!
04:19 gem3: [efn] <vinay> ๐
04:19 manji: but don’t get carried away to merriment!
04:19 manji: and not too strict like Zen TM
04:19 manji: that shit makes dark times
04:19 manji: ๐
04:20 gem3: [efn] <vinay> I like thinking that there are things like Peace that are not mine but that I am ๐
04:20 gem3: [efn] <vinay> on a deep level.
04:20 manji: master cursor
04:21 manji: I
04:21 manji: the delta dirac shuttle
04:21 gem3: [efn] <vinay> things we can let go of that remain
04:21 manji: it’s a mapping function
04:21 manji: between two planes
04:21 gem3: [efn] <vinay> the unborn, uncreated, unmapped ๐
04:21 manji: yeah
04:22 gem3: [efn] <vinay> pretty cool ๐
04:22 manji: homeostasis surround
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04:22 manji: the pith to the seed
04:22 manji: of…
04:22 manji: not yet!
04:22 manji: ๐
04:22 gem3: [efn] <vinay> makes me want to meditate, like the prayer of unknowing. _/\_
04:22 gem3: [efn] <vinay> the peace is God _/\_
04:23 manji: it’s a weird way to befriend both god and devil
04:23 gem3: [efn] <vinay> and Buddha and Christ, etc…
04:23 manji: ๐
04:23 manji: yeah
04:23 manji: awakening
04:23 manji: running jhanas
04:23 gem3: [efn] <vinay> pretty cool, stuff
04:24 manji: optimal arousal
04:24 gem3: [efn] <vinay> you see evil people as just stupid.
04:24 gem3: [efn] <vinay> deluded
04:24 manji: in eco- mode
04:24 manji: nope
04:24 manji: not other
04:24 manji: ๐
04:24 gem3: [efn] <vinay> its the/a source of suffering
04:25 gem3: [efn] <vinay> I see
04:25 manji: intention is the source of enduring
04:25 gem3: [efn] <vinay> not-other, yeah.
04:25 gem3: [efn] <vinay> the same and not the same ๐
04:25 manji: not-self is the abbreviation for the applied versions
04:25 gem3: [efn] <vinay> for the All ๐
04:26 manji: this is why maha-yana, and vajra-yana cannot denigrate or see this wisdom as less than
04:26 manji: not-self is supreme
04:26 manji: not-permanent
04:26 gem3: [efn] <vinay> its like walking around with your head in consciousness that isnโt fettered. (to the clinging aggregates)
04:26 manji: ๐
04:26 manji: it’s fucking awesome
04:27 gem3: [efn] <vinay> lol
04:27 manji: this shit has range
04:27 gem3: [efn] <vinay> ๐
04:27 manji: like motha fuckin snakes on the mutha fuckin’ plane!
04:27 manji: and then peace
04:27 manji: running the jhanas
04:27 manji: ๐
04:27 gem3: [efn] <vinay> Brahma viharas
04:27 manji: yep
04:28 gem3: [efn] <vinay> Buddhist virtues are like a home or dwelling ๐
04:28 manji: yep
04:29 manji: acultural
04:29 manji: atemporal
04:29 manji: aspatial
04:29 gem3: [efn] <vinay> “brahma-vihara” literally means “dwelling place of brahmas.” Heavenly Worlds?
04:29 manji: well of course
04:29 gem3: [efn] <vinay> or Heavenly Minds ๐
04:29 manji: world builders
04:29 gem3: [efn] <vinay> same thing
04:29 gem3: [efn] <vinay> yes
04:29 manji: exactly
04:29 gem3: [efn] <vinay> home builders ๐
04:29 manji: intention
04:30 gem3: [efn] <vinay> yes
04:30 manji: bingo
04:30 gem3: [efn] <vinay> its like there it is _/\_
04:30 gem3: [efn] <vinay> yeah bingo
04:30 manji: and there is enduring
04:30 manji: no more.
04:30 manji: ๐
04:30 manji: running the jhanas
04:30 gem3: [efn] <vinay> blows me away _/\_
04:30 manji: that’s just bliss
04:31 gem3: [efn] <vinay> to me jhanas have become more like a vacation ๐
04:31 gem3: [efn] <vinay> yeah just bliss ๐
04:31 manji: oh put that shit under the microscope of insight
04:31 gem3: [efn] <vinay> while the body remains as samsara.
04:31 manji: that’s bodhisattva work
04:31 manji: nah
04:31 manji: this is a bliss body
04:31 manji: different
04:32 manji: looks like normal suffering body
04:32 gem3: [efn] <vinay> the other thing like a mind door that opens to peace
04:32 manji: but…
04:32 manji: not quite the same
04:32 manji: under this microscope
04:32 manji: ๐
04:32 gem3: [efn] <vinay> it looks at the body and sees a tool, ๐
04:32 gem3: [efn] <vinay> maybe used for teaching or doing good.
04:32 manji: hello vajra
04:33 manji: ๐
04:33 manji: the cursor’s not done yet
04:33 gem3: [efn] <vinay> I still wonder in the fields of Samsaric life, when Iโm not Mindful, but the stress is way less.
04:34 gem3: [efn] <vinay> moments of clearity ๐
04:34 manji: yep
04:34 gem3: [efn] <vinay> yeah, not done yet _/\_
04:34 manji: gotama buddha shouted and cried in pain stubbing a toe
04:34 manji: lol
04:34 gem3: [efn] <vinay> not โwell doneโ ๐
04:34 manji: and the chief disciples shouted and argued
04:34 manji: lol
04:34 gem3: [efn] <vinay> turn up the heat.
04:35 manji: woof!
04:35 manji: hey there
04:35 manji: heeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyy
04:35 gem3: [efn] <vinay> and knew when to rest his back ๐
04:35 manji: yeah
04:36 manji: i sit on a cube
04:36 manji: of course
04:36 manji: a metal cube
04:36 gem3: [efn] <vinay> https://discourse.suttacentral.net/t/buddha-has-to-stretch-his-back/7466: It sounds like it was something he made no secrets of– he had back pain and needed to stretch his back from time to time. There is one Sutta where the Buddha asks Ananda to give an explanation to a question asked while he stretches his back and rests. When you think about it that is pretty incredible and meaningful.
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04:37 gem3: [efn] <vinay> I fractured mine in 3 places ๐
04:37 manji: logs reverse squares
04:37 gem3: [efn] <vinay> but Iโm mostly ok now.
04:37 manji: funny that
04:37 manji: oh ouchies
04:38 gem3: [efn] <vinay> my knee is the worse, like demons chewing on it ๐
04:38 gem3: [efn] <vinay> just ouch ๐
04:38 gem3: [efn] <vinay> old karma
04:39 gem3: [efn] <vinay> what should one expect of a body?
04:39 manji: spacetime curvature attunement is a key component to running insightful analysis of jhanas
04:39 manji: love the body for what it has done
04:39 gem3: [efn] <vinay> yes attunement
04:39 gem3: [efn] <vinay> in tune ment ๐
04:39 manji: the body is the stem
04:39 manji: and upon it the flower
04:39 gem3: [efn] <vinay> cool
04:40 manji: between these fingers
04:40 manji: it turns
04:40 manji: ๐
04:40 manji: why?
04:40 gem3: [efn] <vinay> the body is the stem, is pertty deep, its a blessing to รขโฌลbeรขโฌ๏ฟฝ a human being.
04:41 manji: yes
04:41 manji: it works so hard
04:41 gem3: [efn] <vinay> to experience the All ๐
04:41 manji: it gives everything
04:41 manji: at the foot of wisdom
04:41 gem3: [efn] <vinay> it does need food, ๐
04:41 manji: its amazing
04:42 manji: yes
04:42 manji: it needs food
04:42 gem3: [efn] <vinay> fuel
04:42 manji: yes
04:42 gem3: [efn] <vinay> more like a car than a home ๐
04:42 gem3: [efn] <vinay> a rental at that.
04:42 manji: but… it can learn to live efficiently
04:43 gem3: [efn] <vinay> what learns?
04:43 manji: and share the environments of efficiency with others
04:43 gem3: [efn] <vinay> what is wisdom, is better question
04:43 manji: wisdom?
04:43 manji: put palms together
04:43 gem3: [efn] <vinay> yes, and decernment.
04:44 manji: rotate the stem
04:44 gem3: [efn] <vinay> the head on collider, lol ๐
04:44 manji: jhana smasher
04:44 gem3: [efn] <vinay> right there, at the point of contact _?\_
04:44 manji: for the benefit of limitless beings
04:44 gem3: [efn] <vinay> yeah
04:45 gem3: [efn] <vinay> _/\_ = the wizards hat as weell ๐
04:45 gem3: [efn] <vinay> well
04:45 manji: i’m just a friend
04:45 manji: that’s all
04:45 manji: ๐
04:45 manji: fucking awesome
04:45 gem3: [efn] <vinay> Iโm of to meditate a bit, be well ๐
04:45 manji: time to run jhanas
04:45 gem3: [efn] <vinay> give mind some stillness ๐
04:46 manji: there’s a planet to save
04:46 manji: later…
04:46 manji: not later!
04:47 manji: i’ll guard so that you can meditate
04:47 manji: ๐
04:47 manji: but i guard by running jhanas
04:47 manji: hahaha!
04:50 gem3: [efn] <darwin> follow Dark Buddhas
04:50 gem3: [efn] <darwin> what if I told you Mike Hockney scientifically/mathematically proved you have a spirit/soul (atman/buddhi)?
04:51 manji: it’d be like shouting into the empty sky
04:51 manji: ๐
04:52 manji: this body is content that wisdom loves it
04:52 manji: beyond resent
04:52 manji: what a great abiding
04:54 manji: besides science evidences, math proves…
04:55 manji: besides science evidences, optimal language proves…
04:55 manji: eight months… one trash bag
04:55 manji: one recycling container
04:56 manji: not bad
04:56 manji: ๐
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